CogniVision Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) There are a lot of bad partners out there. And... I dont just mean people who suck, I mean people who are just bad - bad partners in general. I've played with noob players who had better teamwork common sense than a lot of good players. Main reason probably is NG is a solo game and suddenly had team thrown into it. The pros dont think about the elements of the team part. And the noobs are too stupid to think about anything except "well if that thing can kill my crappy self... it must definitely be able to kill my partner. So i'll just keep charging in trying to help him so he doesn't die!". You all know what i mean. So i'm just gonna throw some simple shit out there of how not to annoy and/or get your partner killed. 1. Dont spam your bow, it may look cool and stop even larger enemies in their tracks... but it also interrupts combo strings on an enemy. Use it on roaming enemies so you can start a combo safely, or to stop other mobs from getting the sneak up on your partner while he is busy. Dont just shoot it for shooting's sake. 2. Dont spam shurikens... read above. Though they don't interrupt to the extent bows do, they can interrupt slower weapons on smaller enemies. 3. If you cant handle a boss solo, dont try to handle it co-op. Let your partner handle it, otherwise you're going to run in interrupting everything they do and get them or yourself killed. 4. If you see a chest you can open, dont hog all the health to yourself. Hold L1 you noob, watch how the essence floats there waiting for one of you to command it. 5. After an Ultimate Ninpo, dont hold Triangle. I'm serious... I will slap you. 6. After you open a chest... read above. 7. Rules 4-6 dont apply if you're both at full health. 8. THIS IS ONLY FOR PROS - For easy co op on the four greater fiends: If you're fighting a boss, take turns hitting it. The person the boss is on should be doing the usual combo after the boss hits them. The free partner should be as directly behind the boss as they cant get, then they can combo the boss WHILE it is attacking. This way they dont make the boss stagger or interrupt. If you hit enough to make them stagger, you're doing too much or doing too late. 9. Dont Spam Explosive UTs or attacks on bosses. They give extremely long i-frames and the damage will be shit-none, and if your partner is attacking the boss the stagger is interrupted and they are in for some revenge. It also blocks vision and makes dodging hard =/ Examples of explosive UTs are: Rachel; Scythe; Enma's Fang. Examples of explosive Attacks are: Ayane's bomb shurikens, Ryu's cannon. 10. When fighting multiple bosses. If one of you dies, the bosses will be locked onto the one who is alive. Example 1 - UN01: Player A is fighitng Volf. Player B is twirling/dodging Alexei and Elizabeth. If Player B dies now Alexei and Elizabeth have moved onto Player A. When A revives B, the bosses are STILL on Player A. And B shouldn't just run away expecting to be dodging bosses again, B needs to grab bosses off of A. This is just an example, this rule applies to ALL missions involving multiple bosses. 11. Do NOT Steal bosses off of your partner. Fast and unpredictable bosses such as Fiend Genshin just might make you regret it, sit back and wait your turn. Keep your valuable health so that you can revive your partner if shit happens. Otherwise you're just going to make yourself lose health you could need later, and when you both end up dead you can repeat over to yourself how you would have survived if you hadn't been greedy and/or egotistical and pulled the boss off of him for no good reason. And you might just piss your partner off. ___ Reviving... Revives cannot be done after a twirl with Rachel. Revives cannot be done after a dodge you did immediately after blocking an attack, or a dodge after a guardbreak. To revive after a dodge it has to be a normal, simple dodge. If you try to revive after these things, then as Ryu you will throw a shuriken leaving you vulnerable to get hit, even worse if you spammed the circle button and throw multiple shurikens. And for Rachel you will shoot your gun, leaving you vulnerable to get hit as well. Oh dont worry... I'm sure I'll think of more after playing again for a few days, sigh. Edited December 11, 2011 by CogniVision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEVILRYUUJIN Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) you're hilarious. i agree with everything except the fighting greater fiend part. all greater fiends should be one on one except liz. because some guys dont know what they're doing and end up getting both players kill. you should just scratch that cuz ppl will run into walls before actually understanding what to do. 4. If you see a chest you can open, dont hog all the health to yourself. Hold L1 you noob, watch how the essence floats there waiting for one of you to command it. 5. After an Ultimate Ninpo, dont hold Triangle. I'm serious... I will slap you. 6. After you open a chest... read above. 7. Rules 4-6 dont apply if you're both at full health. omg i freaking hate that crap. especially when i play with decent players online. they have a nerve to do that crap like they want to beat the entire level without taking any essences Edited February 12, 2011 by DEVILRYUUJIN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagerasimaru Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 @devilryuujin i totally agree. i hate when ppl suck up the essence after finishing an ultimate ninpo and use it as a ut. like duh the whole reason we used an ultimate ninpo was 2 gain some health back and u just go right out suck it for a ut. if u dont have health most of the x u wont survive. yea cognivision dude u one funny guy man. u just flat out say whats on ur mind lmao bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEVILRYUUJIN Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 yeah i think cogni had a overload of nonsense in every mission he played today. his partners was only there to make his life miserable:whistle: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CogniVision Posted February 12, 2011 Author Share Posted February 12, 2011 (edited) Dude had a partner in MN01 kept trying to hit Genshin and then he'd run away from Genshin expecting me to save his ass.... so I take Genshin off of him and he does the crap again constantly interrupting me. He was using Tonfas and so was I, I guess he thought he could do the one hit on Genshin even while he was just standing on the ground. Not realising it only works if Genshin is in the air already. So this noob is running around for like the 6th time from Genshin and I tell him to BACK OFF. I go hit Genshin and this dumbass comes right back up and gets slashed and dies lol. I let him die and sent him another mail telling him he was a waste of time. I edited Rule 8 to stem your worries lol Edited February 12, 2011 by CogniVision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEVILRYUUJIN Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 that sounds really awful. yeah i get piss really easily now. like im really close to just end helping guys in general who are not skilled enough to survive at all. it wastes so much of my time... especially if i get us to the end of the mission and have my partner spit in my face by dying like its on purpose. im like nooooo wth you are not worth my time anymore Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CogniVision Posted February 13, 2011 Author Share Posted February 13, 2011 you're hilarious. i agree with everything except the fighting greater fiend part. all greater fiends should be one on one except liz. because some guys dont know what they're doing and end up getting both players kill. Like how you keep gettin me killed on Volf when you turn him towards me! Anyway, that's why there is rule 3... =P Of course just like handlin a boss solo takes practice, co op would take practice for most. Even though the execution is pretty damn simple. Only reason Liz people take on co op is because she is hard and cheap compared to the other fiends. Otherwise her execution is the same crap. And because of her hard and cheap ways people take advantage of 360T to kill her, which makes it easy since its no problem for 2 people to stand there and do it. You'd do more damage though doing the correct way of co op attackin which you've probly seen me do when we play while you're doin the 360T and I hit her from behind with a 4xT attack while she is trying to tail whip you. Same execution as other bosses. The only fiend that is tough to co op is Alexei if you dont do it properly, if a person tries to mix in more attacks than he can and makes Alexei jump around it'll fuck the other one who is trying to hit from behind... and since people are used to just playing solo and not thinking about teamplay they do it a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagerasimaru Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 it just went outta control 2day. alexei grabbing me ryt from the start. that stupid wall glitch eventho we both know there is no wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CogniVision Posted February 14, 2011 Author Share Posted February 14, 2011 It's kinda like the invisible walls they use for those dogs to keep them from going into the neighbor's yards. And the dogs just stop in front of it like there is something there blocking them, I guess the fiends are as dumb as animals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagerasimaru Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 if it werent for these glitches id b done with this mission ages ago. ive gotten better @ it. il b free 2mor afternoon and i hope we can beat it 2mor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CogniVision Posted February 19, 2011 Author Share Posted February 19, 2011 Updated with Rule 9, dont know why I didn't remember that one. Like I said though, after playing for a few days more would come up xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEVILRYUUJIN Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 nice... also add rule #10... its what i hate the most and its one of the prime reasons why i quit helping ppl in the game... Rule #10 - For Team Missions Master Ninja (MN) 3 and 5, Ultimate Ninja (UN) 1 - 3 (1,2,&3) If Partner B dies, then Partner A comes to rescue you. DO NOT AND I MEAN DO NOT START TWIRL OR RUNNING/JUMPING AWAY! People makes this mistake almost 60% of the time which really pisses me off. All the damn fiends are lock on the rescuer (Partner A) 99.9% of the time. So it would be kind of you to get some of them off Partner A. It really annoys me to see people constantly twirling or running far away while Partner A is getting rape non-consensual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kagerasimaru Posted February 19, 2011 Share Posted February 19, 2011 I remember when u taught me how 2 twirl I used 2 do that and man I feel so bad now. Now I'm more wiser and understand things better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CogniVision Posted February 20, 2011 Author Share Posted February 20, 2011 (edited) Ah yeah i forget about that. Some people are real dumb and dont realise that when someone dies... the bosses aren't going to target a dead person. They think the bosses are going to say "awww look at that stupid lil' noob lets be nice and just do what he thinks we're supposed to do and attack him." I put it up, but in a more general respect since I've had idiots do that crap in ALL missions, even Mentor 05 when my partner dies on the Giants he just runs away and stands there while the two giants and the friggin ninjas are all attacking me. Like the part of their brain that has the common sense must have gotten shot or something. Edited February 21, 2011 by CogniVision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEVILRYUUJIN Posted February 21, 2011 Share Posted February 21, 2011 lol, yeah that crap is so annoying Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swez18 Posted February 24, 2011 Share Posted February 24, 2011 yea cognivision dude u one funny guy man. u just flat out say whats on ur mind lmao bro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CogniVision Posted February 26, 2011 Author Share Posted February 26, 2011 Just joined an MN03 match, dude had only beat Acolyte. He tries fighting Alexei with Enman's and after a few hits he starts running away like a little pussy. So Alexei comes after me and i'm fighting him just fine, until Mr. Pussy comes running back to slash at Alexei... I cant say I was surprised, I have an idiot radar and it was beeping like a mutha~ Dude gets Alexei's attention and starts running away again like the virgin pussy that he is (get it virgin being non-experienced... non-experienced being noob =P). I'm watching as Alexei flies around trying to hit this guy, getting a few slams in at a time. He was lucky they were tackles and not grabs. I guess eventually Alexei got tired of toying with the little noob so he floated up in the air and shot him with lightning... the one move you cant just simply run away from. Noob falls down dead, and I begin running around his body dancing while dodging Alexei's dashes. It was rather entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEVILRYUUJIN Posted February 26, 2011 Share Posted February 26, 2011 lol thats hilarious! i ran into same thing. but i never save the noob. everytime we got a game over screen i still picked yes. but he finally understood my intentions so he finally backed off and let a professional handle all the bosses. then he message me "dude you rock my socks off" i give him no reply in return Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CogniVision Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 Hahaha nice, maybe i'll do that next time. Stick around and keep letting him get himself killed. See how long it takes for the rat to find the cheese so to speak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEVILRYUUJIN Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 well i got lucky lol. most would quit or send bad messages to me.... but its better not helping a sorry piece of crap lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CogniVision Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 Just did MN01 and some dude using Ayane keeps attacking and interrupting Genshin and dying instantly. Now lets see if this rat find's the cheese and learns to stop hitting Genshin with his noobass self. I kept letting him die and hitting Yes on Continue. I guess he tried getting a bit 'smarter' so to say. He starts using Ayane's ninpos to hit Genshin and charging UTs, the usual pussy noob shit. He gets Genshin's attention again and I let him die. After a few more tries he switches to Ryu's Kusari-gama. Charges UTs, gets Genshins attention and I let him die. After that he goes to Rachel and this is where his stupidity shines the most. I'm thinkin he is gonna use Rachel's long range UT to interrupt Genshin, give Genshin i-frames and sufficiently piss me the hell off. He isn't even that smart though, he rushes in at the start swinging at Genshin with Rachel's weapon... DUMBASS. He dies instantly, and then he finally leaves the game. The rat never got through the maze and to the cheese... the specimen was a failure xD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEVILRYUUJIN Posted February 27, 2011 Share Posted February 27, 2011 yeah that had failure written all over it. jeez i would have just looped genshin to make him see the error in his ways Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CogniVision Posted February 27, 2011 Author Share Posted February 27, 2011 I was usin TDS, it's loop isn't as easy as Lunar or BotA. And even when I was looping he would cast ninpo, sit under while i was coming down and charge UTs or just charge in and get kicked by Genshin while he was getting up after the Izuna. His stupidity had no bounds. Not the only noob i've played with who even while I was looping still found a way to get themselves killed like idiots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEVILRYUUJIN Posted February 28, 2011 Share Posted February 28, 2011 omg epic fail. lol theres nothing you could have done to make him smarter than the average squirrel . i had that too ofcourse, was really a waste of my time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CogniVision Posted February 28, 2011 Author Share Posted February 28, 2011 (edited) Man I got the perfect example of when I say good players who are shitty ass partners. MN03 with some guy, I was usin my Lunar as I said restrictin myself to it right now least on most missions. He was usin BotA when we get to Genshin he chips off maybe about 1/4 of Genshins health before dyies. My partner's red bar was so low now where he only had about 30% of his life left. So then I revive him and fight Genshin, and he is like following up trying to pull Genshin off of me I guess because he was so awesome and the BotA kill faster than Lunar. He ends up pulling Genshin and about a few seconds later he dies again now he has barely even 10% of his health left. Where this was a stupid move is now that if I happen to die on Genshin he doesn't have shit health left to come revive me with... and I was right, I took Genshin down to about 15% health. And I died from the fire stomp, analog stick didn't like me. Genshin goes over to him and does a combo he didn't dodge in time so one slash hit him and he died with his little life. If he didn't pull that stupid stunt pullin Genshin off of me he would have had enough health left to survive a misdodge like that... I left the game. He was a good player, but a bad partner. Perfect example right there. When a good player thinks they are too pro for a partner. Edited February 28, 2011 by CogniVision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...