A petition (really?!!) Spoilers

[J Warrior]

https://www.change.org/p/sony-remake-the-storyline-of-the-last-of-us-part-ii?recruiter=1122585974&recruited_by_id=46e27080-b3e1-11ea-85da-a1e01df83fda&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink&utm_campaign=petition_dashboard

 

Do people really think stuff like this works? Lol

[Radford999]

It’s just embarrassing.

[tsoul]

I was able to beat the game without seeing any leaks, complaints, or memes for this game (It was hard avoiding part of social media for so long), and I feel part of the story is fine. The gameplay is also very similar to the 1st game.

 

In regards to the story, I think:

[spoiler=summary] forcing you to play as Abby is not a bad thing. I was annoyed at first, but you get to see things from her side of the story. My favorite parts are the flashback and past sections that took place before Joel got killed. They let you see things from the Marlene's and the Firefly's perspective.

 

The majority of the present-day story is too forced, such as all these cross-country revenge trips and the sex scene with Abby and Owen (especially with them talking to Mel the day after).

 

The ending feels empty, and I think it's meant to be that way. I guess the epilogue showing Ellie and Joel's final conversation lessened the remorse feeling by changing their final words. Previously, the audience would've thought "I don't need your fucking help, Joel" was Ellie's last words to him after their argument at the dance.

 

 

Edited June 22, 2020 by tsoul

[mcolwander90]

Just beat the game. They're being incredibly overdramatic. And this is coming from someone who's still pissed at the How I Met Your Mother ending seven years on haha.

 

I totally get a mixed reception to the story, and that's fine. But suggesting to remake it or that it's an absolute betrayal of the original are being just that, overdramatic and even childish.

[Cyphron]

I think it's kinda cool. It shows what Naughty Dog achieved, they really made a believable world with likeable characters. And it shows how much gamers fell in love with the characters.

 

It's still silly because Part 2 is amazing and the best stories are those that hurt.

Edited June 24, 2020 by Cyphron

[Jay_Slim]

:rolleyes:It's to the point where fans feel they own the characters in IPs now and actually feel they've been injured in a legal sense if something happens to them.

 

 

 

At what point did people lose sight of the fact that these characters are in stories the writer wants to tell?

[AshtimusPrime]

I blame EA and BioWare for this. Ever since they acknowledged the ME3 ending wasn't great it's allowed people to be so entitled (not that they aren't anyway) they start making stupid petitions. Even if the story is shit and a betrayal, this is just sad.

[Warbear]

I didn’t think that he deserved to die that way with no sympathy; no matter what that’s not going to change my hatred towards Abby, but I’m okay with his death in general because it’s death knocking at your door and paying the price for his selfishness. He’s one of my favorite characters in any video game and it did upset me, but it also impacted Ellie heavily just when you thought that she would never forgive him. But I guess some people aren’t mature enough to realize that there’s a thing as karma and fate.

 

this is coming from someone who's still pissed at the How I Met Your Mother ending seven years on haha.

 

Nothing will ever top off Dexter for me.

Edited June 25, 2020 by Warbear

[JHChiBulls]

Anyone who starts a petition to change a video game story needs to do some serious soul searching. I haven’t read the petition yet (I will when I am finished with the game) but I can only imagine the biggest complaint is some people didn’t enjoy the game because they knew what was coming because of the spoilers, so they want a new story to enjoy the game. The petition should be good bathroom reading for Neil Druckmann and his team.

Edited June 25, 2020 by JHChiBulls

[Radford999]

I didn’t think that he deserved to die that way with no sympathy; no matter what that’s not going to change my hatred towards Abby, but I’m okay with his death in general because it’s death knocking at your door and paying the price for his selfishness. He’s one of my favorite characters in any video game and it did upset me, but it also impacted Ellie heavily just when you thought that she would never forgive him. But I guess some people aren’t mature enough to realize that there’s a thing as karma and fate.

 

 

 

Nothing will ever top off Dexter for me.

 

I think GOT was worse!

[AshtimusPrime]

I think GOT was worse!

 

Completely. HIMYM was only awful in the final episode or two. Dexter was bad but wasn't "awful". GOT was continuous tripe for two whole seasons.

[Warbear]

Completely. HIMYM was only awful in the final episode or two. Dexter was bad but wasn't "awful". GOT was continuous tripe for two whole seasons.

 

You know what I really loved about this website? Was that you guys taught me your lingo; makes me sound smart when I tell my friends that they’re little blokes that take the piss or call them “bloody wankers”.

 

Tripe? I had to urban dictionary that to know what it meant just now haha. I wish there was more British stuff other than GOT and inbetweeners to learn British English more in entertainment; it feels like 95% of the stuff that I’m into comes from America which is a shame.

[doomgun]

I just finished 1st playthrough two nights ago. The story left me with more questions than answers, I started to watch all these different in-depth commentary and analysis of the ending on YouTube, and started to think Naught Dog is actually quite smart in constructing this script and have the guts to [spoiler=63bhcdu3403hwbgf78234]Kill Joel in less than 3 hours into the game

which presents a totally unexpected and unconventional story. It's actually not that hard to understand the reason behind why did the story unfold the way it did, and what Naught Dog had in mind when building it. Definitely easier to understand than Death Stranding haha.

 

Now looking at these net cretins who didn't even really played the game, simply watched too many spoilers when they shouldn't, and then complain about the game is just making me lol. They are practically judging a book by its cover.

 

There is only one trailer I've watched before the game is released, and that was the initial teaser way back in 2016, where Naughty Dog themselves are publicly announcing the game, without revealing too much of the story.

Edited June 26, 2020 by doomgun

[JHChiBulls]

After the ending to the first game, these people thought we were going to get a feel good story of (don’t read unless you’ve gotten to day 1)

[spoiler=]Joel and Elle hunting together throughout the game

and they started a petition about not getting it, too.

 

I’ll trust the developer behind Uncharted and The Last of Us over anyone else when it comes to their vision for the TLOUII.

Edited June 25, 2020 by JHChiBulls

[mcolwander90]

I’ll trust the developer behind Uncharted and The Last of Us over anyone else when it comes to their vision for the TLOUII.

 

It's one of my favorite things about fandoms. If they don't like how a story plays out, they'll say what they would've done differently. I know, I've done that myself haha. But way more often than not, their ideas are way worse than what we got. Even if it was for a plot/ending I didn't like (ex: I've seen some terrible HIMYM and GoT ending ideas). They're usually way too cliche, uninspired, and off tone. This game is no exception, from what I can tell.

 

And it's not like Disney (Star Wars), 343 (Halo), AMC (The Walking Dead), HBO/D&D (Game of Thrones post-books), etc grabbed a decade plus old franchise and took their liberties with it. It's still the same central mind and developer behind the original. Sure, we can sit back and say "But Lucas made the prequel films and 2/3 of those were abysmal!", but watch how quickly Stars Wars fans reference Lucas' involvement as one of the biggest reasons why the prequel films are better than the sequels ("It was still his vision/heart for the franchise!"). You see it with the Dragon Ball fandom when it comes to Toriyama's involvement as well.

 

Maintaining a creator's involvement isn't always perfect. I'll still have my disagreements at times. But this is only the second entry of Ellie's story, in a series that isn't even a decade old yet. I trust the minds behind this universe, and I'm excited for the inevitable third entry whenever that happens!

Edited June 26, 2020 by mcolwander90

[JHChiBulls]

It's one of my favorite things about fandoms. If they don't like how a story plays out, they'll say what they would've done differently. I know, I've done that myself haha. But way more often than not, their ideas are way worse than what we got. Even if it was for a plot/ending I didn't like (ex: I've seen some terrible HIMYM and GoT ending ideas). They're usually way too cliche, uninspired, and off tone. This game is no exception, from what I can tell.

 

And it's not like Disney (Star Wars), 343 (Halo), AMC (The Walking Dead), HBO/D&D (Game of Thrones post-books), etc grabbed a decade plus old franchise and took their liberties with it. It's still the same central mind and developer behind the original. Sure, we can sit back and say "But Lucas made the prequel films and 2/3 of those were abysmal!", but watch how quickly Stars Wars fans reference Lucas' involvement as one of the biggest reasons why the prequel films are better than the sequels ("It was still his vision/heart for the franchise!"). You see it with the Dragon Ball fandom when it comes to Toriyama's involvement as well.

 

Maintaining a creator's involvement isn't always perfect. I'll still have my disagreements at times. But this is only the second entry of Ellie's story, in a series that isn't even a decade old yet. I trust the minds behind this universe, and I'm excited for the inevitable third entry whenever that happens!

 

I wouldn’t change anything about Part 2. It seems like there are people who want to bury their heads in the sand and believe that there wouldn’t be retribution after the first game. In the end we got a story that can realistically happen happen in the TLOU universe. I am pleasantly surprised that NG weren’t afraid to tell their story like this.

 

And like you I can’t wait for Part 3, if we get a Part 3. If these petition starters don’t want to play a Part 3, their loss.

[Radford999]

I wouldn’t change anything about Part 2. It seems like there are people who want to bury their heads in the sand and believe that there wouldn’t be retribution after the first game. In the end we got a story that can realistically happen happen in the TLOU universe. I am pleasantly surprised that NG weren’t afraid to tell their story like this.

 

And like you I can’t wait for Part 3, if we get a Part 3. If these petition starters don’t want to play a Part 3, their loss.

 

Let’s be fair, these petition starters are still going to play part 3 regardless of the story.

[JHChiBulls]

Let’s be fair, these petition starters are still going to play part 3 regardless of the story.

 

Yeah, that I have no doubt about.

[Tiberius]

Let’s be fair, these petition starters are still going to play part 3 regardless of the story.

 

But will there even be a part three given everything that's happened? With all the controversy and backlash, something like that might not happen. After all, some rather brutal shots have been fired from both sides of the quarreling.

[mjfan97]

While it is pathetic to petition a different storyline than the one we got because of two reasons, A. Petitions usually don't work, and can easily be ignored; B. The developers are the ones who chose the story since it's their game, and not yours, so it doesn't matter as to the quality of it; it's at least worth trying on the slight off-chance it gets noticed, but still more pointless than pointless since it won't achieve anything, if you do get the story you want, you won't be satisfied anyway because then it won't be authentic anymore. I might have to suggest what someone told Anita Sarkeesian: if you don't like it, make your own game or storyline.

 

But will there even be a part three given everything that's happened? With all the controversy and backlash, something like that might not happen. After all, some rather brutal shots have been fired from both sides of the quarreling.

I'd say it's been pretty one-sided so far, in favour of the opposition. I can't think of any good arguments made by the opposing side. I think this is more agenda than plot-related, in that regard: some like the story, others don't, but the criticism has mainly been directed at the "replacement of Amy Henning with Anita Sarkeesian" and "perceived forced inclusionary quotas".

 

I admit that I'm still waiting for someone I find reputable to review it, like AngryJoe or Chris Stuckmann, to consider if I want to buy it somewhere down the line. Depends if the public perception really does match the critical. And PewDiePie and Jacksepticeye too, since I'm still waiting for them to finish their playthroughs.

[The Alchemist]

Anybody who starts a petition over something like this is a sad fuck, end of. I've said this before, change.org is meant to be for actual change and good causes, not bullshit like this. Don't like the story? Keep crying and move on

[mcolwander90]

But will there even be a part three given everything that's happened? With all the controversy and backlash, something like that might not happen. After all, some rather brutal shots have been fired from both sides of the quarreling.

 

Here's a recent Druckmann quote on a Part III from a recent interview:

 

I’ll be a little vague and cagey as you can expect, but I think the test for whether or not to make a “Part III” would have to be a similar test to what we did with “Part II.” With the first game there were no expectations and it was like we could do anything. But now that we’ve established certain characters and themes and processes, it felt like to justify making a “Part II” we had to do something not that fans would just be comfortable with, but do something that would match the emotional core we found in the first game. And without that, there’d be no reason to do a “Part III.” Finding it with the sequel was much harder than it was with the first game, and going forward it would be exponentially harder to justify going back to that world and finding a way to vary things up. There’s already so many things you’ve seen about the backstory, about how the outbreak happens, so we’d really have to figure out how to create a new experience that matches the emotional impact of these stories and I don’t know what that is. Currently.

 

Obviously, he may have basic ideas for what a Part III could look like, but it certainly seems like they aren't going to make a Part III for the sake of making a Part III. The ending of this game is similar to the first one where there are openings for a sequel, but if a sequel doesn't happen, we aren't really left hanging. I definitely expect a Part III, but I'd love for ND to get a new IP out the door before then (or a Jak and Daxter reboot). They could use something new after making nothing but Uncharted and Last of Us for over ten years haha.

 

Now that the game has been out for a week, I have noticed the perception of the game has definitely been trending positively, which for me I'm glad to see haha. I'm guessing ND is banking on us to discuss things through, and get to the point where the focal point of discussions is whether not a certain character made the right decision. The announcement of a Part III will kick up some old hard feelings for sure, but if it ever happens, it'll likely come at a time when any controversy surrounding this game will have minimal impact. I could totally see a different marketing approach after bait-and-switch complaints though haha.

[Tiberius]

I'm mainly viewing this as an outsider, admittedly never having even played the first one. At the same time though, the way Naughty Dog went after people on YouTube was really messed up so I can easily understand why a lot of folks went into this already pissed even before the game came out. So yeah, stuff like that makes me wonder as to whether or not a third installment would happen one day.

[Zter]

Too bad the general audience are morons so they have no problem with the story.

[The Alchemist]

Too bad the general audience are morons so they have no problem with the story.

 

They're morons because they enjoyed the story? Imagine being you

 

Then again, one look at your post history here and I'm not surprised you'd say something like that. Embarrassing.