If SOPA & PIPA Spawned The Anti-Christ, ACTA Would Certainly Be It
If SOPA & PIPA Spawned The Anti-Christ, ACTA Would Certainly Be It
Written Saturday, January 28, 2012 By Dan Webb
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The internet might have banded together to put the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and Protect IP Act (PIPA) in its rightful place – on the shelf (for now) – but as we quite rightly pointed out last week, the battle has only just begun. This time it’s Europe’s turn with the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement (ACTA), which has been deceptively lobbied behind-closed-doors by the same bodies in the US that pushed SOPA & PIPA so aggressively. Just because you’re not European though doesn’t mean this shouldn’t concern you, oh no. According to ACTA, just about every “developed” nation – including the United States, Japan and Australia, amongst many more outside Europe – is about to feel the brunt of this deceptive and potentially global economy ruining and internet freedom destroying piece of legislation. It’s time to get our legal on… Again.

"10,000 Polish citizens took to the streets to protest ACTA."

So, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement… What the hell does this have to do with the internet? Absolutely everything in fact, and although it’s not as clear cut in name as SOPA & PIPA were, it’s essentially Europe’s version of those two proposed bills. Actually, it’s a much more severe piece of legislation with far wider-reaching implications that the music and film industries will use as a means to enforce their totalitarian stance on piracy. If there’s ever a wrong way to go about things, this is it. It’s like driving a tank over a crowd of innocent people just in the hope of squishing a few pirates on the other side.

So how does ACTA differ from SOPA and PIPA then? Well, that depends on where you start, but the implications are just as severe. The main crux of ACTA is that it puts a legal and monetary obligation on Internet Service Providers (ISPs) to police every piece of information that travels through their service, effectively turning them into a pseudo internet police, of sorts. These ISPs will essentially monitor your activity online, gather evidence and such, and then “co-operate” with copyright holders to protect their IPs. None of this right to a fair trial malarkey or due process. Your future is basically in the hands of ISPs and copyright holders, none of which are part of the democratic process and will no doubt quell freedom of speech in the process.

ISPs, who are commercial companies, not elected bodies, would effectively become judge, jury and executioner online.

It’s essentially a bullying tool for two prongs of the entertainment industry – music and films – who’ve refused to move with the times and adapt. It’ll not only severely damage privacy issues by allowing ISPs to gather private data on their users – without the need of a judge – but it’ll also impose criminal sanctions on individuals who are found to be “aiding and abetting” copyright infringement. With loose terminology like that, websites like ourselves, Google, Wikipedia, Facebook and YouTube could become a target, meaning that freedom of speech and innovation would almost certainly be impaired as a result. How criminal sanctions have been drafted into a “trade agreement” is almost certainly cause for concern too. Copyright holders would almost certainly hold all the cards and they won’t be afraid to use them even for minor infractions and frivolous cases. Outside the restrictions it’d place on the internet too, the Agreement even rather ridiculously ventures further into cracking down on generic drugs and imposing stricter sanctions on food patents.

"French MEP, Kader Arif, made a defeaning statement this week."

The controversy surrounding ACTA is much more abhorrent than that of SOPA & PIPA. ACTA is a piece of legislation that’s been deceptively drafted behind-closed-doors, shrouded in mystery and constantly shielded from the public forum. It’s been that underhanded that French MEP and “rapporteur” – basically, the overseer – of the Agreement, Kader Arif, stood down this week in protest over how it’s been handled, calling it a “masquerade.” 

“I want to denounce in the strongest possible manner the entire process that led to the signature of this agreement,” said Arif, citing the following as reasons for his decision to step down: “no inclusion of civil society organisations, a lack of transparency from the start of the negotiations, repeated postponing of the signature of the text without an explanation being ever given, exclusion of the EU Parliament's demands that were expressed on several occasions in our assembly.”

“As rapporteur of this text,” he continued, “I have faced never-before-seen manoeuvres from the right wing of this Parliament to impose a rushed calendar before public opinion could be alerted, thus depriving the Parliament of its right to expression and of the tools at its disposal to convey citizens' legitimate demands.”

In closing, Arif said, “This agreement might have major consequences on citizens' lives, and still, everything is being done to prevent the European Parliament from having its say in this matter. That is why today, as I release this report for which I was in charge, I want to send a strong signal and alert the public opinion about this unacceptable situation. I will not take part in this masquerade.”

The fact that 10,000 people took to the streets of Poland to protest ACTA this week, while a delegation of lawmakers in the country’s Parliament donned V For Vendetta masks to show their disdain for it, yet it was still signed, shows that something must be awry.

"Polish lawmakers show their disdain for ACTA in government."

What’s the worse thing about ACTA though? Well, not only does ACTA grant the creation of an “ACTA committee,” but it then grants them the power to consider amendments to the Agreement. That, my learned friends, is an awful lot of power to grant a committee made up of non-elected individuals. If Europe wanted to wipe their arse with democracy and ruin the foundations of every Western government in the world, then ratifying ACTA is as close to doing that as they can possibly get. It’d give lawmakers and non-elected officials a dangerous backdoor into manipulating legislation without the necessary checks and balances required, let alone obtain input from the public who allow them to wield these powers. ACTA is the first step to becoming a police-state. ACTA is the first step on the road to becoming a dictatorship. ACTA is a big 'fuck you' to democracy. ACTA is not only going to ruin the internet, it’s going to set a dangerous precedent that could undermine the last 30 plus years of democratic progress.

Again, I’d like to reiterate that piracy and protecting the rights of copyright holders has nothing to do with our concerns with this latest piece of legislation. This however is about corporate control, censorship and secrecy. If the big corporations can bully and bribe the supposed democracies of this world, what hope do we have of living in a society where freedom of speech is paramount? Stopping piracy and protecting copyright holders rights is about balance, and if SOPA & PIPA was like killing a fly with a grenade, ACTA is like killing a single-cell organism with a nuclear bomb. Funded and lobbied by the archaic film and music industries – of which the MPAA’s corruption, for instance, has since become apparent since SOPA & PIPA were shelved – ACTA is a piece of legislation that could essentially send the world into the biggest depression its ever experienced; crippling the internet, stifling entrepreneurial growth and setting society back a good 20-odd years. The most ironic and profound thing to come out of all of this is that if the music and entertainment industries spent the time, money and effort they’ve spent on trying to buy themselves power and corrupt every democracy in the world, and actually tried to evolve their industry and move with the times, they and the world would be in a far better position. Instead, we’re all going to suffer for their lack of foresight unless we band together and constantly fight back.

As it stands, ACTA has been signed in Europe by varying Member States – those who have not signed it have agreed to in the near future – and by the US, Australia, Canada, Japan, Morocco, New Zealand, Singapore and South Korea, but it is yet to be ratified in Europe which is the clincher for the agreement, meaning it’s not too late to make your voice heard. Democracy isn’t dead yet and now’s the time to prove it.

So, what can you do? If you’re in the UK, you can sign an e-petition like this. Or if you’re in the US, you can sign this petition here, setup by the ECA (not, ESA). For more information on how to voice your opinions, check out La Quadrature’s Wiki page on the issue. The internet and freedom of speech has until June, when the final vote is made, to make your voices heard.


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Comment #1 by sanchezz4387
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 01:22:38 PM
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Seems George orwells 1984 was 20 years too early tho his predictions were right. All he missed was the Internet being paramount to the totalitarianism he feared. It's scary how I only found out about this through a trophy website for te ps3, I've heard nothing of this on UK news absolutely nothing

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Comment #2 by mjc0961
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 02:38:51 PM
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Signature one on the page was the 21st of January. A week later, it's at nearly 35,000. Hopefully this will tell our government that we don't want this shit.

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Comment #3 by Harry94_
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 02:45:23 PM
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*signs away at UK petition*

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Comment #4 by olsen77
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 03:03:00 PM
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It's remarkable that I hadn't even heard of this until reading it here. Great read Webb.

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Comment #5 by adwark
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 03:53:07 PM
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I'm going to tell you one thing which Polish Prime Minister has said
"We will not buckle under blackmail" (Not fully sure if right, used translate, because I didn't remembered translations of few words) Funny thing that is the "blackmail" is voice of society in seemingly democratic country. Really f***ing funny.
Other funny thing. They said they were doing public consultations. Funny thing is that the only one who were at that consultations were those for whose signing ACTA was meaning profit. And new consultations with people are meant yet to be in February. Meaning that, they first sign ACTA(did that) and then consult it with people! Beautiful. I'm very interested how much cash they got for that.

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Comment #6 by adwark
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 04:20:30 PM
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Sorry for double post - just remembered something.
USA already signed ACTA. And we already have first VILLAIN! He is 23 years old student from UK which will be prosecuted in USA thanks to extradition agreement between USA and UK. His site was TVShack on which people were posting LINKS to various materials, some illegal. His site got over 300k visits monthly. And due to doing the crime "against which ACTA helps to defend" he can go to USA jail for 10 years. Yes, you read good. Ten years of prison for that the other people were posting links on his site.

And other thing. Megaupload creator Kim Dotcom for his "crimes" (of creating way for people to share their files, those illegal too, and mainly for illegal ones) may go to prison for 50 years. Fifty. Half of century. On other hand there is certain not so popular case of man(Miguel Carano) who killed a woman, raped her and then disposing body of woman got sentenced for 20 years of prison.

We love USA justice! Equality for everyone!

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Comment #7 by sanchezz4387
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 04:39:22 PM
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The so called "democracy" our ancestors fought for seems to be lost in a world of lies and secrets. No body with an ounce of sense would want this law other than those seeking to make money from it! so why has it been signed by 22 countries including my fucked up UK? Why has this not been put to the people? The fact that we in the UK get overruled by enough unelected MEPs is one thing but for this to get put up for legislation under our noses without a say so is down right against EVERY persons human rights.

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Comment #8 by TerrorPain
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 05:12:30 PM
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Here is something that i heard on the net.

The hacker group that hacked into Sony system last year are so piss off at this, that they hacked into the prime minister of Poland website. As long as they are fighting to take down the ACTA and not attacking Sony, i will root for them.

This is the only nice thing i am going to say about them. i am still with everyone else that hate their gut and wish that they will burn hell

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Comment #9 by mjc0961
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 06:26:43 PM
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@6: We did? God dammit. Why didn't we hear about this sooner?!

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Comment #10 by olsen77
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 06:45:38 PM
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@9...Because our media is utter shit? They spend so much time covering the Republican primaries that things like ACTA don't get mentioned.

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Comment #11 by texas_ride
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 08:38:02 PM
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While I agree with your position on ACTA, which is not legislation but a treaty, I feel that using "totalitarian stance on piracy" and "It’s like driving a tank over a crowd of innocent people just in the hope of squishing a few pirates on the other side" diminish your point. Remember to fight extremism with reason. (For example: attacks to government servers will likely only have the effect of turning governments to support such legislation and treaties.)

Also, I doubt this is going anywhere any time soon. As a treaty, it must be accepted by signing nations' ratification protocols. I doubt the U.S. senate will ratify knowing that legislation with similar language was extremely unpopular here in the states.

The Polish parliament has shown it does not want to support such legislation, and I would expect similar announcements prior to the European Parliament this summer. I doubt many governments will ratify this treaty as long its opposition cannot be labeled as extremists.

Further, I wonder if such a treaty, if ever ratified, would be used as a trade tool against nations, like China, which do not respect (either in part or in whole) western copyright regulations.

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Comment #12 by texas_ride
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 08:40:41 PM
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@10 i'd say that's mostly accurate

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Comment #13 by TerrorPain
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 08:57:07 PM
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i would bet anything that if this is pass, there will be world-wide riots

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Comment #14 by eldraco
Saturday, January 28, 2012 @ 10:31:30 PM
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no TerrorPain it would get worse really fast like terrorism and civil war. plus there are poeple who would continue to pirate because they can to show contempt.

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Comment #15 by JuggernautClone
Sunday, January 29, 2012 @ 12:31:58 AM
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Man, I thought just the US was doing stupid shit like this, but if it's the UK, and Europe, along with other countries such as New Zealand, Japan, and Canada (WHY CANADA WHY?!) then this is bad.

Screw freaking boycotting the companies who support these things (although it does help) start boycotting the countries who support this! I feel bad thinking of not respecting Canada anymore, as I am half Canadian and Hlaf American, but if they and any other country support something that can bring an end to democracy and bring an evil beginning of a world wide corprate dictatorship, then how can I support them or even respect them anymore? All these places I had at leats some respect for or they didn't really bother me, but now...... I hate SOPA, PIPA, and ACTA, along with any other legislation that's along the same lines. Especially the first two, they started this swamp of shit that we may be stuck in forever >:(

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Comment #16 by sanchezz4387
Sunday, January 29, 2012 @ 02:11:35 AM
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My country is run by dick head Cameron, if there's money to be made he will have signed it. I have a pretty stern feeling that our country signed up without even knowing what this act was about. And if that isnt the case and they DO know what they signed up for, then our government clearly don't want to stay longer than the current term it's serving!

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Comment #17 by fletchar2
Sunday, January 29, 2012 @ 04:01:53 AM
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Comment #18 by Angershock
Sunday, January 29, 2012 @ 05:36:17 AM
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Here's another one (all eu peeps can sign this one)
Its almost signed 900.000 times!

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Comment #19 by fletchar2
Sunday, January 29, 2012 @ 05:59:50 AM
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@18 *Signed that, too*

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Comment #20 by Terminator
Sunday, January 29, 2012 @ 09:22:52 AM
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I've signed the petition as well. I really hope we can get this catastrophe in waiting scrapped!

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Comment #21 by TheRealClayman
Sunday, January 29, 2012 @ 11:38:28 AM
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Definitely sharing this article with anyone I can.

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Comment #22 by TerrorPain
Sunday, January 29, 2012 @ 05:50:48 PM
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Comment #23 by mjc0961
Sunday, January 29, 2012 @ 06:48:12 PM
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@10: I didn't expect the media to cover it anyway as those companies want this shit in place. I meant more along the lines of why wasn't this more widespread over the internet like SOPA and PIPA were?

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Comment #24 by Sssnake777
Sunday, January 29, 2012 @ 06:48:15 PM
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In times of crisis governments more and more clamp down on the people.
No wonder we dont hear about important things like ACTA in the controlled mainstream media. They are only there to feed us with nonrelevant crap like Seal-Heidi Klum divorce ect.
Meanwhile freedom is under heavy attack worldwide!

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Comment #25 by Vapor_N4
Monday, January 30, 2012 @ 03:19:57 PM
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As bad as this is everyone, I bet it's even worse for all those first time voters who were naive enough to vote for Obama. Lol

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Comment #26 by texas_ride
Monday, January 30, 2012 @ 08:05:54 PM
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@25 this started under Bush, and was continued under Obama. I wouldn't expect too much from the U.S. federal government any time soon, regardless of who holds the executive office.

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Comment #27 by Vapor_N4
Tuesday, January 31, 2012 @ 12:52:58 AM
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@26 You're right, but I didn't vote for Bush either and I'm willing to be Paul wouldn't have continued this.

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Comment #28 by Mostik
Wednesday, February 01, 2012 @ 02:13:49 PM
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Another great article, it's f*cked up they (ACTA) could ruin it for us all :( I'm off to sign the petition.

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Comment #29 by texas_ride
Wednesday, February 01, 2012 @ 04:04:50 PM
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@27 I agree with that.

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Comment #30 by R353ARCH D35TROY
Thursday, February 02, 2012 @ 07:08:22 PM
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Cliffnotes version: the Internet is fucked.

1st Internet, 2nd Regulations (ACTA), 3rd Rebellion

Citizens blindly cheerleading the wars on terror will soon be turning their attentions to their own governments.

Maybe the world really will be ending this year. My world as I know it, at least.

It sounds like it's too late.

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Comment #31 by Datdamdemon
Friday, February 03, 2012 @ 07:40:03 AM
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I'm not saying i agree with the ideas of SOPA, PIPA, or ACTA but I beleive that as long as we reject any and everything that doesn't satisfy our own personal gain and well-being we are just as bad as our governments whom abuse power to satisfy theirs. Have we not learned from history to do whats right instead of what we want for the greater good.

I've done as much homework I could about SOPA and PIPA and will look more into ACTA and although it is flawed just as our US justice system is, I cannot say that trying to find a solution to online piracy is wrong. Most of you guys born in the 90's and up, which i'm sure there are quite a few ,wouldn't fully understand not only how internet has changed the face of the world in the past decade but how many Billions of dollars are lost due to online piracy. The entertainment world is fading fast and is being replaced by generic versions of what we used to call music and movies and at the rate we are going now a career in music would be just as a career as a teacher... you won't be in it for the money.

I see a lot of folks talking about our freedom and rights but shouldn't we have the right to not have our shit stolen? should it be okay for someone to come in your home and take your stuff just because everyone else is doing it? You guys can throw that freedom shit in the garbage unless u think freedom means free shit.

If we kept the mentality that anything thats not good for me is bad, blacks still would be in slavery and woman would stick to being lonely housewives. Even though i'm sure that's the way some would like it, dont come up here like the gov't is trying to fuck us for trying to protect the rights of those of us who worked our assess off just to have someone steal it copy it and share it with the world while everyone else makes profit off my shit but me.

So next time just come out and say hey, we like free shit, dont take it away from us instead of trying to justify piracy. Stealing is stealing

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Comment #32 by Angershock
Saturday, February 04, 2012 @ 04:52:40 AM
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@ #31
Back in the day, music was free for everyone,
youre talking about stealing? I pay €25 for an cd with 12 tracks,
now THATS stealing..
Btw its not like they NEED the money, these pop/rock/rapstars have
so much money they dont even know what to do with it..

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Comment #33 by Akimitsu782
Saturday, February 04, 2012 @ 08:57:28 AM
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The funny thing is that there are probably millions of people around the world protesting this online and in real life, but people in the world's governments will not stop until they get something of the sort passed. And it will be those who are money-hungry that will keep pushing and pushing until it does pass.

The capitalistic nature of our society today is what's going to destroy us. Money is the root of all evil, yet at the same time, it's needed to make the world go round.

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Comment #34 by derek
Saturday, February 04, 2012 @ 03:49:26 PM
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@33 - actually, it is "The LOVE of Money is the root of all evil". Big difference there. Money isn't good or bad, it just is. It's what you do with it and how it affects you that it can become good or bad.

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Comment #35 by NTKrist
Sunday, February 05, 2012 @ 02:11:59 PM
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This is exactly why I support most political hacker groups, even though their actions can occasionally interfere with my daily drift & their statements sometimes sound a bit over the top

But I had a funny idea regarding this. If a website maintainer can be prosecuted for what others do on his site, isn't that a bit like hanging the gunsmith for creating the gun a victim was shot to death with? Cos they failed to install a device that would lock the gun from firing at human targets or whatever. Just as silly.

We should start looking for support in S-America, Africa & Asia & see if there ain't a country that can invade Europe & N-America to save us from our evil dictators LOL (kinda like our gov's claim we've been doing in the middle east) *insert irony emoticon here*

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Comment #36 by tmay328
Monday, February 06, 2012 @ 07:42:57 PM
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Great, another example of government myopia and stupidity...

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Comment #37 by TheRealThing
Wednesday, February 08, 2012 @ 03:35:35 AM
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Well said Datdamdemon. The people who are likely to be on the side of piraters more than likely haven't had something of theirs pirated. You can bet your bottom dollar if this happened to them personally they would be up in arms.

I agree that something certainly needs to be done about piracy. The problem is some of the lunkheads who write the bills are just as bad as those ignoring the piracy problem because it's not happening to them personally. The bills end up with over the top methods of controlling the problem, just like the people who want there to be no control at all.

A middle ground needs to be discovered, and soon. Unlike some of the other people here, i understand the larger picture of what's at stake....just like you do.

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Comment #38 by lfcfrank94
Wednesday, February 08, 2012 @ 03:18:13 PM
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Jeez not again, thanks god for sites like these spreading the word, i'd never have heard of it til it was giving us a good kick in our cyber balls!

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Comment #39 by ElfenSky
Friday, February 17, 2012 @ 10:25:46 AM
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Pff.. I'd hate to be pessimistic, but if this passes, I see a war coming... Either a 3rd global... Or most likely a civil in each country...

*goes to jail for trying to start a riot*

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Comment #40 by BettermanWill
Saturday, February 18, 2012 @ 10:21:04 PM
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This is messed up and the industries cant seem to see past their money, i hope to god it doesn't come to pass cause the world is gonna get decimated

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Comment #41 by gtafreaksydney
Monday, February 20, 2012 @ 07:15:10 AM
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We Should All Gather, Crash Through These Massive Music/Film Companys And KILL 'EM ALL, Problem Solved, Couple Dead To Save THE WORLD Sounds FANTASTIC To Me :D

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Comment #42 by Skullz_69
Monday, February 20, 2012 @ 07:52:56 PM
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Is there a petition for Canada? Like hell if im just gonna sit back and let them fuck everything up!

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Comment #43 by Gekodeko
Tuesday, February 28, 2012 @ 04:22:19 PM
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I've posted this where I could. They did keep this secret, or the media doesn't really care about what goes on in Europe.

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Comment #44 by YenRou
Thursday, March 01, 2012 @ 03:58:05 PM
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Recently had an argument with my parents about the Megaupload incident.

They tried to convince me that millions of $/€ were lost because of that "scumbag".

Then I asked them how so?

They told me that millions of POTENTIAL customers were lost for the companies.

Just some background info, my dad was wearing a fake watch on his wrist. So I asked him, would you have bought an original watch if you had the money even though there is a cheaper alternative?

He said no.


Argument won like a boss.

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Comment #45 by Crealkllr
Wednesday, March 07, 2012 @ 02:59:29 PM
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These types of things really make me worry. Just doing natural normal stuff might get me in trouble?

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Comment #46 by Phyrexian
Monday, March 19, 2012 @ 09:44:48 AM
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Horrible. Just horrible.

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Comment #47 by MMDE
Tuesday, April 17, 2012 @ 07:02:05 PM
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Very old news (even back in January, right now it's like a year old)...
And it probably won't happen.

If anything, there should be a new article about CISPA, because that is actually pretty recent.

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Comment #48 by MMDE
Tuesday, April 17, 2012 @ 07:07:46 PM
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I should have said EU won't sign it, but several countries have, including USA, and that months before this article. I also forgot to say that it's kinda wrong to say if SOPA & PIPA spawned it would be ACTA, simply because both was created later than ACTA. :p

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Comment #49 by idloveacupoft
Thursday, May 10, 2012 @ 04:31:51 AM
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I hate politics. Politicians should be made up of Scientists, Engineers, Teachers and Professors, Strategic Analysts, Inventors, maybe even Philosophers. As to why most of them [politicians] are where they are, we must only ask ourselves because we put them there. So; we are to blame, not them. People say they [politicians] have shown a lack of foresight...So have we!

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Comment #50 by WilliamRLBaker
Thursday, May 24, 2012 @ 04:12:35 AM
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Seems to me that every single bill or action spawned by the idea of stopping piracy will be evil in your eyes...

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Comment #51 by tyninja93
Monday, June 18, 2012 @ 04:16:46 PM
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horrible stuff

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Comment #52 by genericus
Tuesday, June 19, 2012 @ 08:47:05 PM
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the terrifying thing being David Cameron would probably go for this, the same person who denounces tax evaders while adjusting tax systems to aid his friends in the big companies, hes a shitehawk.
The man is only interested in numbers when they have £ in front of them, absolutely detest the bloke and it really is something he would try to force in the back door

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