Raoul Duke Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Might be a stupid question but when do you guys think is a better time to kick it off it you failed a note? - Right away to get it back in the multiplier or wait until your multiplier is back to max and double it? I always assumed to work the way back up before kicking it off, but I'm starting to think all the notes hit with no multiplier at all is more hurtful long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooBusy Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 can I apologise in advance for the post I am going to make after this one. If you can't be bothered to read my next post, the easy answer is simply: wait till x4 multiplier till deploying Beatlemania ... now the sums: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TooBusy Posted August 13, 2010 Share Posted August 13, 2010 This is my understanding of it. Not 100% sure I am right… but I think I am. To try and explain I am using the theory that you only play 1 instant notes (as opposed to holding onto the note) and that you play 10 notes to go up from x1 to x2 to x3 to x4. Also, I am using the value of each correctly struck note as 100 points! This means, if you are playing any song normally over the course of 40 notes (without using beatlemania/star power) at any point you will earn this many points: 10 x 100 = 1000 10 x 200 = 2000 (200 being 100 points for the note x2) 10 x 300 = 3000 (300 being 100 points for the note x3) 10 x 400 = 4000 (… you get the idea!) This comes to a total of 10,000 scored over 40 notes. If you then hit another 40 notes perfectly, without star power, you will have for that section: 40 x 400 = 16,000 Over the whole 80 notes (all hit perfectly, no star power) you will have: 10,000 + 16,000 = 26,000 <stick with me here!> Now then, if you deploy star power immediately after a missed note, the top set of figures will all be doubled: 10 x 200 = 2000 (200 being 100 points for the note with x2 under star power) 10 x 400 = 4000 (400 being 100 points for the note with x 4 under star power) 10 x 600 = 6000 (600 being 100 points for the note with x6 under star power) 10 x 800 = 8000 ( … hopefully you get the idea!) This comes to 20,000 points scored over 40 notes all under star power If you then lose star power and hit 40 more perfect notes you will get: 40 x 400 = 16,000 Add to your 20,000 = 36,000 If you did it the other way and built up your multiplier and then deployed star power you will get: 10,000 for you first 40 notes (see first set of figures) Then 40 x 800 (800 being 100 points for the note with x8 star power) = 32,000 Add this to your 10,000 = 42,000 ....more points! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squodge Posted August 25, 2010 Share Posted August 25, 2010 It depends on how much of the song is left. If you have Beatlemania available, and the song is ending in 10 seconds, then obviously it's better to deploy it pretty soon. The simple maths is this, and it's based on 25 points per note hit (which is the real value), and hitting 100 notes (not unrealistic if playing on Expert, and deploying only a full bar of Beatlemania). DEPLOY STRAIGHT AWAY 25×10 notes×2 = 500 25×10 notes×4 = 1,000 25×10 notes×6 = 1,500 25×10 notes×8 = 2,000 6 sets of 10 notes×25×8 = 12,000 TOTAL: 17,000 DEPLOY ONLY WHEN AT 4× MULTIPLIER 10 sets of 10 notes×25×8 = 20,000 TOTAL: 20,000 So for a 100-note streak, deploying it just after you break the combo will lose you about 3,000 points. Basically, where possible, only ever deploy Beatlemania (or Overdrive/Star Power) when you already have a 4× multiplier. To put it another way, by deploying it after breaking your combo, you're missing out on 8× multipliers! The only time you should readily deploy Beatlemania when you've broken your combo is when you're playing in a band, and the whole band (minus you) have all deployed Beatlemania already. The reason is simply that they might all be on 4× multipliers (or 6× for bass), and it's a good idea to give them all an 8× band multiplier, so in effect the bass would have a 48× multiplier, and the other two would have 32× multipliers. You'd also give yourself an immediate 8× multiplier since you'd be on a 1× multiplier after breaking a combo. That's why playing a full band helps massively! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zugz469 Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 It's also good to realize the note density coming up. If you missed a note, but you know a part with many fast notes is coming up, it might be better to use beatlemanis immediately and get 80 notes with it activated than after that big burst of notes where you might only have 5-6 notes during your activation. I haven't done the math on it to be sure, but it seems common sense that there would be a big difference in points that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squodge Posted June 4, 2012 Share Posted June 4, 2012 It's also good to realize the note density coming up. If you missed a note, but you know a part with many fast notes is coming up, it might be better to use beatlemanis immediately and get 80 notes with it activated than after that big burst of notes where you might only have 5-6 notes during your activation. I haven't done the math on it to be sure, but it seems common sense that there would be a big difference in points that way. I'm not sure it would generally be better to deploy if a dense note streak is coming up. The thing is you'd still have to hit 30 notes to reach an 8x multiplier. In that time, you also have to make sure you don't miss any notes. Don't forget, if you deploy overdrive for an 8x, you're getting 200 points per note. So 10 notes gives you 2,000 points. If you deploy overdrive when you've just broken your combo: Hitting 10 notes gives you 2 x 25 points x 10 = 500 points Hitting next 10 notes gives you 4 x 25 points x 10 = 1,000 points So already, you've hit 20 notes and you still have fewer points than if you deployed when already at a 4x standard multiplier. If a note-dense (and difficult) passage is coming up, I generally DON'T use overdrive if I honestly feel I'll break my combo. I'll just end up playing all notes with a meagre 2x multipler. But if I play a slower passage with maybe only 30% of the notes, I can hit each one at 8x... which would still give me more points. I've gotten 5 stars in songs where I kept the 4x (or 8x) multiplier going as long as possible in the "easy" parts; and then I push my luck to get through the "impossible" (but short) parts without overdrive. There really is no point in a 2x multiplier for a dense section where you'll miss maybe 25% of the notes anyway AND break your combo repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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