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I can bluntly say I did not even know about this game before the HD hype was started for a team ico collection. Judging from the threads, it seems as though the for some the game is crap in terms of controls while others simply enjoy the game.

 

I see this as an easy plat cuz of the short timeframe but i dont want to play a game which i have to drag towards the plat and i will end up hating it, for example trine is a really plat but for some reason even using the video guide i cant find the last exp vial in the second level and so i just gave up on it. I know its not fair a comparison but I have no problems with a game's difficulty like i can breeze through most of cods on veteran, god of war god modes and uncharted crushing difficulties.

 

And yes I got it from ps plus and want to know whether i should go for it.

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If you've already got it and enjoy trophy hunting, I'd say definitely go for it. It's really not that difficult, and the fact that you can pause the game and watch walkthrough videos (as the game timer halts when the game is paused) makes it little more than trial and error. There are a few sticky spots, but follow the "Speed Run Time/Savepoint Marks" save times as a benchmark, and you'll know if you need to replay a section or not. I personally had good luck (more or less) with the AI, though, whereas some people complain that escorting Yorda in the speed run got pretty rough for them.

 

Also, don't hesitate to save whenever you're near a bench; some walkthroughs advise minimal saves, but it's less of a stresser when you have more save points to choose from if you need to replay anything.

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For the record, a short game =/= an easy platinum.

 

While I found this game to be easy, the mechanics may put you off along with the Yorda AI. If you have been gaming during the time this was first released in 2001, I would suggest you to plat it if you have missed out like I did. If you are spoiled by modern games, then do not bother.

 

Stay away from this turd as far as possible. Horrible controls, abysmal locked-view camera, outdated mechanics and shitty graphics. I wish I never installed it. The only reason I'm playing it right now is to get 100%. It's a goddamn chore.

 

This is a good example of a spoiled gamer. Maybe you should avoid classics as they are blantantly not for you. I hear Call of Duty: Ghosts is nice.

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For the record, a short game =/= an easy platinum.

 

While I found this game to be easy, the mechanics may put you off along with the Yorda AI. If you have been gaming during the time this was first released in 2001, I would suggest you to plat it if you have missed out like I did. If you are spoiled by modern games, then do not bother.

 

 

 

This is a good example of a spoiled gamer. Maybe you should avoid classics as they are blantantly not for you. I hear Call of Duty: Ghosts is nice.

 

My PSNProfiles card is right in my signature. Do you see any mindless FPS games on there? I've got plenty of ultra rare trophies and plats for extremely challenging games, and compared to those ICO is a walk in the park. It's just badly designed. I grew up on puzzle games. I beat Myst series back when there was no internet to look up walkthrouhgs. The puzzles in this game are monotonous and uninspiring - just like the environment. And while we can excuse horrendous visuals because the game is over a decade old, there's just no excuse for bad design in what is in essence a puzzle game. Couple that with glitchy camera/controls that get in the way of platforming and this game really has no redeeming value.

 

And while having to protect an AI character might have been groundbreaking back then, I had much more fun doing the same thing in Enslaved. The majority of people that are gushing over this turd, are those that experienced it on PS2 and so nostalgia plays a huge factor here. Either that, or they simply wouldn't know a good puzzle game if it hit them in the face.

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My PSNProfiles card is right in my signature. Do you see any mindless FPS games on there? I've got plenty of ultra rare trophies and plats for extremely challenging games, and compared to those ICO is a walk in the park. It's just badly designed. I grew up on puzzle games. I beat Myst series back when there was no internet to look up walkthrouhgs. The puzzles in this game are monotonous and uninspiring - just like the environment. And while we can excuse horrendous visuals because the game is over a decade old, there's just no excuse for bad design in what is in essence a puzzle game. Couple that with glitchy camera/controls that get in the way of platforming and this game really has no redeeming value.

 

And while having to protect an AI character might have been groundbreaking back then, I had much more fun doing the same thing in Enslaved. The majority of people that are gushing over this turd, are those that experienced it on PS2 and so nostalgia plays a huge factor here. Either that, or they simply wouldn't know a good puzzle game if it hit them in the face.

 

No, but I see a mindless series of assassins games that are the same thing every release. Does that count?

 

Ultra Rare =/= Challenging. Know the difference. You have do not have any "extremely challenging" games on your profile (Not sure about Fat Princess). What are you bragging about exactly? GTA IV and Uncharted 3 are not challenging if that is what you meant.

 

Glitchy camera/controls? I am sorry, but there is no glitchy camera for one. I will agree that it is poor, probably the worst camera mechanic I have encountered. As for controls, the glitchiness I have noticed in them is when you jump to a platform that has a ledge below it and suddenly moves you to the higher ledge when touching the lower one -- which is beneficial actually. Perhaps the term you were looking for is laggy (this is a port after all). Your Mindless Assassins 3 is a much worse case of glitchy controls, yet you feel it is worth complaining about this game's? The controls in this game were meant to have a more realistic feel to them (you can easily tell). Just because they are different and you are lazy to learn them does not mean they are bad. By the way, if you are playing games for sharp, realistic visuals, you are playing for the wrong reasons. Games are to be played for fun, regardless of their appeal.

 

The same argument can be made about people hating this game are the same ones who are spoiled and play overrated AAA titles such as Uncharted. This more of a platforming game than a puzzle game.

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The majority of people that are gushing over this turd, are those that experienced it on PS2 and so nostalgia plays a huge factor here. Either that, or they simply wouldn't know a good puzzle game if it hit them in the face.

I played it for the first time in January, and I had no trouble platting it. I thoroughly enjoyed it, and thought it was fine for a puzzle game, if not perhaps a bit too easy puzzle-wise.

 

Feel free to take a breath and cease insulting the mass of strangers here simply because you had a bad time with a video game.

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No, but I see a mindless series of assassins games that are the same thing every release. Does that count?

 

What's mindless about them? I enjoy the time period(s) (European Renaissance, Revolutionary War), I don't mind the story, and I love the soundtrack. Brotherhood and Revelations were a rehash of ACII, but ACI, ACII and ACIII each happen in a different period, and I thoroughly enjoyed every single one. Also, the controls happen to be some of the best ones in any video game, whenever I switch from AC to another game, I am amazed at how much more fluid the movement is in AC.

 

Ultra Rare =/= Challenging. Know the difference. You have do not have any "extremely challenging" games on your profile (Not sure about Fat Princess). What are you bragging about exactly? GTA IV and Uncharted 3 are not challenging if that is what you meant.

 

I do not have any 'extremely challenging' games on my profile? I love how you pick up on my GTAIV and Uncharted 3 plat, completely disregarding the following:

 

Sky Fighter - as of right now there are 20 people out of 15,000 owners that completed this game 100% in the 3 years it's been out. I am one of them. The game is extremely challenging, and completely skill based.

 

Warhawk - the game's been out 6 years at this point, there are less than 300

platinum owners (out of 80,000 game owners) Again, I'm one of them.

 

Ultra rare almost always means challenging. There's a reason why in a given game only 1 person out of 1000 happens to gain full completion. Now whether the challenge is due to skill, or time is a different story, and this is where you should know the difference.

 

Really, before trying to crap on the challenging games in my profile, you should look at yours first - the lowest I see on there is %0.83 rarity....

 

overrated AAA titles such as Uncharted..

Sorry, but you just lost all your credibility with this statement.

 

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Feel free to take a breath and cease insulting the mass of strangers here simply because you had a bad time with a video game.

My comment was directed at Druoxrodest, who started the whole thing by accusing me of being a Call of Duty fan. Though now that I look at his profile, he seems to have owned almost every game in the series, so maybe he meant it as a compliment...

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I stopped reading your post after you listed Warhawk as an extremely challenging platinum.

 

So it takes skill to mindlessly boost Warhawk? That is sad. That game requires no skill to earn a platinum for and to claim it as an "extremely challenging" game shows your level of stupidity and ignorance, but that is alright, what more to expect from a scrub who clearly had trouble playing a classic and compared it to modern game standards?

 

I am done here. I will see you on Call of Duty: Ghosts.

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I stopped reading your post after you listed Warhawk as an extremely challenging platinum.

 

So it takes skill to mindlessly boost Warhawk? That is sad. That game requires no skill to earn a platinum for and to claim it as an "extremely challenging" game shows your level of stupidity and ignorance, but that is alright, what more to expect from a scrub who clearly had trouble playing a classic and compared it to modern game standards?

 

I am done here. I will see you on Call of Duty: Ghosts.

 

Lol, looks like someone got butthurt and has to resort to name calling. Don't worry, maybe one day you'll get some skill and be able to earn that ultra rare plat.

Of course you're done here, because you lost the argument. You do realize that challenging can mean skill or time-wise (and I got both on my list)? If you don't believe me or PSNProfiles, go ahead and check out the following thread:

Collected Trophy Difficulty Ratings

Warhawk is listed as one of the most difficult plats by this site.

 

 

You're not gonna see me on Call of Duty: Ghosts. I don't play shit games by choice.

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Actually, I did not lose anything. When you say it takes skill to spend time, that is when you are too stupid to argue with so I just dropped going into detail with you there.

 

No wonder you had such a hard time with Ico, you just sucked at it -- pretty damn hard apparently.

 

Huh? Seems like you are having a tough time with reading comprehension. Please tell me where did I say that it takes skill to spend time? I said trophies can be challenging (i.e. difficult) because they take skill or because they take time. At no point did I make skill and time equivalent. Do you need me to sketch you a graph to get the point across?

 

Also - where did I say I had a tough time with Ico? I specifically stated that game is a walk in the park compared to my other games.

 

At this point, I honestly am not sure if you're just ignorant, a liar or possibly both.

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You do realize that challenging can mean skill or time-wise...

 

Right there. You claimed time as a challenge (a test of skill) with that statement and you did it again with your response. The only thing you do with time in a game is spend it.

 

Also - where did I say I had a tough time with Ico?

 

Here you go.

 

Stay away from this turd as far as possible. Horrible controls, abysmal locked-view camera, outdated mechanics and shitty graphics.

 

Failure to adapt to controls? Check.

Failure to use the camera properly? Check

Failure to adapt to classic mechanics? Check.

Expression of anger? Check.

Hard time? Most definitely.

 

 

 

I think it is time to drop it completely here (at least for me it is). You can dance around that you "won" or whatever you like, but I have concluded that either you do not know what you are saying or are hurt because Warhawk was never a difficult game since it was boostable. It is a game that requires high dedication to complete (which is respected, by me at least), I will give it that, but to pass it off as "extremely challenging" because some people wanted to spend time on it is a joke.

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You both are missing da point.All games are easy.Nothing can stop someone get a trophy assuming it's achievable.Skill is not required and 90% of the grinds are easy and small.(I have far cry 2 plat and all GTA IV online trophies and the grinding was a joke)So get over it and realise dat life has a very deep meaning.Trophies are for everyone.A clean soul only for the unique.

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Right there. You claimed time as a challenge (a test of skill) with that statement and you did it again with your response. The only thing you do with time in a game is spend it.

 

Maybe it just gets lost in translation due to the language barrier, but let me restate:

Challenging means difficult. Something can be difficult because it takes a lot of time (1000 hours for Warhawk legit), or something can be difficult because it takes skill. That is exactly what I said. I never said something takes skill because it's time consuming.

 

Failure to adapt to controls? Check.

Failure to use the camera properly? Check

Failure to adapt to classic mechanics? Check.

Expression of anger? Check.

Hard time? Most definitely.

 

Big difference between being annoyed by something, and having a hard time with it. I was irked by every single aspect of this crap game, but adapted and platted it without breaking a sweat.

 

The whole argument started because you attacked me personally, just because I think ICO is a horrible game. I do respect your commitment to 100% completion and am done posting in this thread.

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I was undecided whether to try this game after downloading from PS+. Thought this thread might help in making my mind up. Boy was I wrong. What a waste of the time it took me to read the increasingly bitter rants. If we all liked the same thing it would be a very boring world. To each his own, as the saying goes. :cool:

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Back to topic: the game itself has an interesting concept, yet in controls and graphics it shows its age. The controls are unforgiving, to say the least, I constantly get stuck on edges or obstacles and the directions not always match what the camera angle might suggest. And then there is the infamous Yorda AI. I don't know whether they couldn't do it better or whether they made her behave like drunk on purpose. This wouldn't matter much if it wasn't for the Castle Guide trophy, a 2 hour time limit is tough when Yorda is always screwing things up. Add few savepoints which are far apart, and you might find yourself replaying the same 10 minute segment over and over again.

 

If you got the game for free on PS+, you can easly test it on a secondary account and see for yourself.

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I played this for the first time in April this year and enjoyed it. It was good, but not great. Anyone willing to give it a go must remember it came out in 2001. Camera angles and controls were very different back then for platformers.

 

Graphically, I think it still looks very nice.

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The 2h playthrough took round about 2 days to complete.

~10h

 

Very frustrating try and error fest. Bad checkpoints !

 

Well, that's not good to hear. I played this game a little back in the ps2 days but never finished it. How hard are the puzzles to do? After playing a few long games I rather look forward to a quick plat.

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There is nothing hard about this game and the time you spend on it is minimal for a platinum trophy. The camera was designed to show the beauty of the game and the controls are fine. I was surprised this was even made in 2001, because the game feels way ahead of its time, and the people complaining about this game haven't really played a terrible game, and I'm glad I didn't listen to them.

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There is nothing hard about this game and the time you spend on it is minimal for a platinum trophy. The camera was designed to show the beauty of the game and the controls are fine. I was surprised this was even made in 2001, because the game feels way ahead of its time, and the people complaining about this game haven't really played a terrible game, and I'm glad I didn't listen to them.

 

This game made me feel nostalgia, It was a great game back then and still is now for such an old game. Think about what they could do with the current gen. And you are right, there was nothing hard about it.

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