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Old 03-21-2014, 02:52 AM   #1
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Default Benhart & Lucatiel Trophies explained [spoilers]


So the information around these trophies is very loose and some people don't seem to understand what's up with them so I figured I'd make a post explaining how to obtain them in a straight forward manner.

Both trophies require you to speak to that character each time you meet them at specific areas and exhaust their dialogue options, and also require you to have summoned them into 3 boss fights and ensure that they survive until after the boss has been killed. Then you have to return to their very last location where they can be spoken to, and they will part with their equipment and bestow you those lovely trophies. Both characters have different locations and summon locations.

DIALOGUE LOCATIONS
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Benhart:
  • Majula (before un-petrifying Rosalith)
  • Majula (After un-petrifying Rosalith)
  • Drangleic Castle (Central Castle Drangleic bonfire, after double dragonrider)
  • Forest of Fallen Giants (Behind Pursuer boss area)
  • Memory of Orro (Resting giant behind Pursuer boss area, speak to him here after 3 fights to obtain gear/trophy)
Lucatiel:
  • No Man's Wharf (Unseen Path to Heide bonfire)
  • The Lost Bastille (Inside tower shortly after The Tower Apart bonfire, accessed after Pursuer fight)
  • Earthen Peak (Lower Earthen Peak bonfire)
  • Black Gulch (Below Black Gulch Mouth bonfire, hard to access, will add pictures if people have trouble finding)
  • Aldia's Keep (Foregarden bonfire, speak to her here after 3 fights to obtain gear/trophy) (According to Velius, Do NOT speak to her here if you haven't already done everything else)
SUMMONING LOCATIONS

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Benhart:
  • Prowling Magus boss (Sign in a tent near Royal Army Encampment Bonfire)
  • Looking Glass Knight boss (Sign to the left of fog door)
  • The Giant Lord boss (Sign in the Memory of Jeigh, next to the crumbled staircase right upon entering, possibly only after exhausting every dialogue option so far)
  • Throne Protectors (Sign right outside the fog door)

Lucatiel:
  • Flexile Sentry Boss (Sign in the shortcut house mid-way through no-mans wharf)
  • Lost Sinner Boss (Sign at the bottom of elevator before the boss)
  • Smelter Demon Boss (Sign right outside fog door)
  • The Rotten Boss (Black Gulch bonfire "Hidden Chamber", sign is near the bonfire, possibly only after conversing with Lucatiel in black gulch)
To obtain these two trophies, you must speak to the respective NPC in EVERY location, and have them survive through THREE fights. This means they must be alive at the end of the fight to get credit from them. It is definitely three, because for Lucatiel I skipped Smelter Demon and got the armor from her in Aldia Keep anyway, and I never even stepped foot in the Throne Watchers with Benhart and got his armor set after killing the Giant Lord.

For an easy guide, I'll simply list what order I personally made to get both achievements in a single playthrough;

Ez Guides;

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Lucatiel:
Speak to her in No-Man's Wharf. Summon her and kill Flexile Sentry. Talk to her in Lost Bastille. Summon her to kill Lost Sinner. Talk to her in Earthen Keep. Talk to her in Black Gulch. Summon her for The Rotten. Speak to her in Aldia's Keep, TROPHY GET.
Benhart:
Speak to him in Majula before using branch on Rosalith, Speak to him AFTER using branch on Rosalith, Summon him for Prowling Magus fight, Talk to him in Drangleic Castle, Summon him for Looking Glass Knight. Talk to him outside Memory of Orro, Speak to him inside Memory of Orro (then finish that memory). Summon him for The Giant Lord. Return to Memory of Orro and speak, TROPHY GET.
If you fail a boss fight, you can re-attempt that boss with the summon by burning an Ascetic at a bonfire. For example if you accidentally killed Flexile Sentry already without summoning Lucatiel, you could use a bonfire ascetic to reset the boss for that area, and allow you to resummon Lucatiel to get credit for that boss. WARNING; This will set the difficulty of that area to NG+, make sure you're strong enough to take that on.

As a side note, Making these guys stay alive as phantoms through a boss fight is phenomenally easy for every fight but smelter demon. I used a strength tank build, using a broadsword+10, un-upgraded Drangleic Shield and whatever most protective armor I could get without going into fat roll. Then the most vital piece of equipment is the amazing Redeye Ring.



You can purchase this ring from Sweet Shalquoir (The cat in Majula) for next to nothing. Although the ring's description is slightly ambiguous, it actually works as a giant taunt. Enemies will FOCUS you. It's amazing not only for tanking as a sunbro, but also for ensuring that your npc summons WILL NOT die, as the bosses will be focusing you with a seriously angerous intent. As mentioned this works perfect for Sun-broing, I was tanking the Ruin Sentinels for people all last night and the bosses barely ever switch target.

This makes every boss do-able with NPC summons, all but Smelter Demon. His AOE damage kills Lucatiel fast enough, unless you can out damage him, but on top of this he seemed to be the only boss that would actually ignore my ring and periodically go straight for Lucatiel (hence why I left him out.)

Apologies for the bad formatting, I'm not good at this stuff, but I hope it will serve some people use.

EDIT: Added a bad quality video showing how to find Lucatiel in Black Gulch, if anyone can record a better quality video feel free to; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hg5VmwNMCCE
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:15 AM   #2
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This mini guide could be good but there is just not enough info.

1) You missed info what to do if You loose 2-3 out of 4 fights and did not provide a solution
2) You fialed to warn players to NOT TALK to Lucatiel in Aida's if they did not fulfill the quest yet
3) You did not mention about Ascetics
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Old 03-21-2014, 09:46 AM   #3
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Ok so I just messed up and she literally died as I landed the killing blow to smelter demon. I missed her sign for the ship. So what are my options? Must I use Ascetics on BOTH iron keep and No Man's Wharf if I want to be the boss in No Man's Wharf with her? Do I need to do it in Iron Keep since she died there? Should I wait until Aldia's Keep to see if she is alive before I use Ascetics on Iron Keep?

NOTE: Her sign is still available when I go to fight the pursuer, I can summon her but she leave as soon as I enter the fog gate. So not sure if I need to use Ascetics on Iron Keep so she is "alive" or not.

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Old 03-21-2014, 10:34 AM   #4
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Ok so I just messed up and she literally died as I landed the killing blow to smelter demon. I missed her sign for the ship. So what are my options? Must I use Ascetics on BOTH iron keep and No Man's Wharf if I want to be the boss in No Man's Wharf with her? Do I need to do it in Iron Keep since she died there? Should I wait until Aldia's Keep to see if she is alive before I use Ascetics on Iron Keep?
You need to have finished at least 3 of the 4 fights, if you've not used Lucatiel at No Man's, and also accidentally killed Smelter without, you can still get away with just using an Ascetic on a single one, as long as you've done the other two, if I'm not mistaken.

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NOTE: Her sign is still available when I go to fight the pursuer, I can summon her but she leave as soon as I enter the fog gate. So not sure if I need to use Ascetics on Iron Keep so she is "alive" or not.
That sounds weird, as far as I'm aware her dieing in phantom shouldn't affect anything for any other fights. I did a few attempts on the Smelter with her and she died multiple times but that didn't impede my ability to summon her in The Gutter.
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:42 AM   #5
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Benhart actually gave me his gear in the Forest. That was on NG+, though. I summoned him for 3 Prowling Magus fights (using ascetics), easily the best fight to use him in.
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:44 AM   #6
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This mini guide could be good but there is just not enough info.

1) You missed info what to do if You loose 2-3 out of 4 fights and did not provide a solution
2) You fialed to warn players to NOT TALK to Lucatiel in Aida's if they did not fulfill the quest yet
3) You did not mention about Ascetics
what this guy said. Just to clarify ascetic use. You can kill one boss 3 times by using ascetics and get trophy too. or if somehow you killed boss without NPC or you forgot to summon, you can use ascetic to redo the fight
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Old 03-21-2014, 10:48 AM   #7
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what this guy said. Just to clarify ascetic use. You can kill one boss 3 times by using ascetics and get trophy too. or if somehow you killed boss without NPC or you forgot to summon, you can use ascetic to redo the fight
What if they died during the fight, you finished the fight, but you completed the other 3, but after they died?

Hope you followed that.

I want to do a different boss and not smelter again as it was hard enough on NG to keep her alive, no way could I do it on NG+.
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this I don't know. I was not able to find any information on that on various forums
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:57 PM   #9
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This helps. I already missed most of Lucatiel. I already defeated Flex.Sentry and Lost Sinner w/o her summon. At least I'm still okay with Benhart, he made the magus fight cake. I don't feel like burning ascetics.
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Old 03-21-2014, 01:16 PM   #10
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I burn astetic with the Flex.Sentry boss is too harcode I always keep getting kill...how I defeat this boss.. before was 1but now is 3. Wtf
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